They would support our Future Commando Force. So stop sniffing. One would be based East of Suez in the Indo-Pacific and one based West of Suez in the Mediterranean, Atlantic and Baltic. In terms of amphibious operations, it is the range in land the marines can be directly supported from the sea rather than from a forward base onshore. Looks like they will be Point conversions and managed a manned by AW Shipping, so not really new ships, and won’t require RN or RFA crewing. As this is an SF floating base my assumption would be an RN crew, due to the nature of the missions of would undertake. Williamson gets 10/10 for positive spin. I second the where is the crew coming from? Would love your thoughts, please comment. A closer look at the Littoral Strike Ship concept In February 2019, the then Defence Minister, Gavin Williamson, announced the plan to rapidly procure vessels around which two ‘Littoral Strike Groups’ would be formed. Where the F*** did that come from! A huge flight deck and Aviation support facilities and under the deck is room for LC and Hovercraft/LCAC or other goodies that SF like to play with in and below the water. But very welcome nonetheless. “The Littoral Combat Ship program has been unnecessarily complicated from the beginning,” the Project on Government Oversight explained in 2016. I don’t know. We should aim to increase the size of the Royal Navy to 8 anti air Type 26 (type 45 replacement), 8 anti submarine Type 26, 8 Type 31s, another Astute for a total of 8 attack submarines and a couple more River class O.P.V.s. The sea-base ships can do more than just land and support ground troops. DES. A couple of extra SSN’s to provide asw support is too much to hope for, I suppose. if these actually do happen, i think the issue of losing albion or bulwark could still happen. CAN WE HAVE LESS ACRONYMS ON HERE? Those areas where all cypher locked compartments and spaces. Was it because she was worn out and only fit for a second tier navy? As for RFA and OSA. Argus and Dilligence were conversions I recall? We will need this kind of reach, and as I’ve always said, Global Britain means having the equipment to back up international trade with meaningful military assets. Littoral in this context is the area of sea influenced from land and area of land influenced from sea. He is the author of the graphic novels  War Fix, War Is Boring and Machete Squad. as long as they’re exocet proof. The sea-base ships suffer limitations, of course. Overlord Class: HMS Sword, HMS Gold, with the option of a third, HMS Juno. Accordingly the comment section is not on going like here. New… Read more », Lusy the proposed hospital ship can’t be a replacement for Agus, the rules around hospitals ships would prevent that (they include a legal obligation to allow search by opposing powers etc), the legalities mean a hospital ship does not fit allied joint doctrine for medical support (with UK national elements), although there is nothing to prevent a change in doctrine a Hospital ship (as legally defined) does not fit with UK requirements for an afloat role2E MTF or role3 MTF. The LCS is a fast, highly manoeuvrable, networked surface combat ship, which is a specialised variant of the family of US future surface combat ships known as DD(X). And it will if it does what what they say kind of fill the role of Hms ocean. A question that is different to what we are asking….. Just got in. The LSS certainly seems like a nice to have, but imo returning mass to the fleet and protecting existing capability is more important than shiny new toys. I guess so? Defence Secretary at the time, Gavin Williamson, earlier confirmed that the UK will purchase the vessels: “Take the Royal Navy. That hasgot £15 billion a year which we seem to squander. Creative accountancy, the Tory party know all about that. My biggest concern though, is funding. Maybe foreign aid budget. when i google and see how much money and where it goes to i get angrier and angrier! Conversions of the 2 Point Class Ro-Ro ferries we let go? Yes in a way. HMS Cuck and HMS Simp, funded by the aid budget. Having your MTF on a warship allows you to manage wider security and stabilisation elements of a deployment, which although… Read more ». I agree, ignore the floating base stuff, the first picture makes it look like a Point class conversion. Also, given that they are “Strike” Ships I guess they will be classed as Warships so will be built in the UK ? I think this is coming from a speech the Def Sec is giving at RUSI, he also has mentioned squadrons of drones being used to overwhelm air defences and the deployment of QE in2021 (as per another article on this site), Wait, new ships? If only that were reality. Agree. Find great deals on eBay for littoral combat ship. The image does look a bit like various concepts for cheap helicopter carriers. Wouldn’t be surprised if these are built by the Us seeing as they have to knowledge and recent history. Gavin Williamson, the U.K. defense secretary at the time, in February 2019 announced the planned purchase of two littoral strike ships. i smell a con here. or her proposed sister ship built? Brazil had a need for a vessel of that type and it helps them out of a bind as the Nao Sao Paulo was no longer economically practical to run on. They are “Strike ” ships because UKSF and USSOF will delpoy off them using heli. The littoral combat ship USS Minneapolis-St. Paul, here at its June 14, 2020, launch, completed its acceptance trials, the U.S. Navy said on Monday. With the loss of Ocean this is a great idea steel is cheap, thus get the largest damnvessel you can afford and cram it with helicopters. Image: Reuters. I’m disproportionately excited by this! No idea. The Royal Navy plans to acquire two so-called “littoral strike ships” that could enhance the U.K. fleet’s diminished amphibious capability. It’s been stated many times it has it’s own budget separate from the TLBs of the 3 frontline commands and DES. pronouncekiwi - How To Pronounce Littoral-combat ship. Have a fact about Littoral-combat ship ? Okay so who are you…and what have you done with the real Secretary of State? The vessel is a modified Alaska class oil tanker design. We sold Ocean to Brazil for a fair market price as a hot swap as it had been in service for twenty years and the QE class is coming on line. Let’s hope that means an increase in surface escorts – T26 & T45. i’d fear for one of the albions. Cammell Liard or H & W would be my preferred yards. So it would seem that the 1 billion pounds granted to the MOD earlier will go on this. Key point: London believes that two of these cheaper ships will be useful but it is unclear how much they will be. I’m optimistic at these. Nah…they had to turn Scott at an angle to get it in! Well, It looks like MP’s are trying to stop HS2, so I guess That’ll free up 20 Trillion ££££’s or thereabouts ! If they took back the 2 Points they let go so it didn’t affect existing numbers it would be reasonable, commonality of a lot of onboard systems, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if this ends up not being 2 new vessels but actually being converting 2 of the currently in-service Points to this new role. In terms of boats and aircraft it is the range out to sea that boats will operate against land and shore based weapons can engage boats and aircraft. Announcing the potential acquisition of the ships, UK defense secretary Gavin Williamson said the ships would form part of two littoral strike groups complete with escorts, support vessels and helicopters. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21049/photos-surface-of-elusive-u-s-special-operations-mothership-in-seychelles. Floating SF bases basically. Probably RFA manned, extra amphib capability with existing spare assets. Definitely looks like recycled Point Class. That Tit Grayling and his Ferry contract. They’ve said they are scouting for two cargo or passenger liners that are suitable for conversion. very, very popular and capable ships in their time re equipped with ceptor e.t.c nice especially as they’re already built. They are exerting British influence through greater forward presence. A big tanker has a crew of 30 odd does it not? Interesting. CHF currently has 6 Wildcat AH1 and is currently converting its 25 Merlin to the HC4 standard. Quite possibly that base is planned around supporting an amphibious strike group that these new ships would slot right into. in the gib squadron. But that doesn’t mean they can’t, or won’t, fight. Steven, Where Is That ? They are exerting British influence through greater forward presence. Sounds like good news. singapore/ back to sembawang, best run ashore ever bugis street? Wow! appledore did build Hms Scott but could it fit anything bigger in the dock hall? Is anyone else on any other Site that I can have a look at ??? We need something like the San Antonio, a class of three. The US has these types of vessels already. Too big for Appledore unless its a block build and Appledore pick up some of the blocks. Sorry, what??!! I’d hope so Captain, at the very least some guns and the usual Defensive aids. But why sell ocean then? Wonder where they will get the crew? Admins may or may not choose to remove the comment or block the author. Where is the money coming from ? get lost by half the posts on here lately. I just realised there’s that s-word again…….. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. The US is having major problems with ships not being maintained and not enough training. DFID has £15 billion that is squandered every year. This sounds like a good idea and increases the capability of the Royal Navy. But I didn’t see this coming, they will no doubt be RFA a replace argus and ocean. How the new Littoral Strike Ships could look (Image: Royal Navy) "Take the Royal Navy. And, if we ever need them to, our two littoral strike ships, our two aircraft carriers, our two amphibious assault ships Albion and Bulwark and our three Bay-class landing ships can come together in one amphibious task force. Big floor area under the flight deck though for all sorts of goodies. We are actually buying something? Interested in your take on these. Cover the vehicle deck to make a flightdeck and still retain all the storage inside. Wont happen, Wow didn’t see this coming. The U.S. Navy has received delivery of two Freedom-class Littoral Combat Ships (LCS). (Not saying I don’t enjoy It here but, It Is a tad confusing at times). Missing the Gosport Ferry are we? https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/us-navy-crashes-japan-cause-mccain/ Historical precedent, the Royal navy was in the same… Read more », No it makes no sense what with the gaping hole in the defence budget as it is. The Points have impressive endurance. Tim Hortons reveals ambitious plans to open in 'every major city and town' in the UK within 2 years. However it does a job. Or Dutch Derutyer. I’D IMAGINE A DESIGN VERY MUCH LIKE THE HARPERS FERRY CLASS OF THE USN but they have SEARAM on the bridge roof! Exemption from mobilisation could hit deployment of long term role3 MFTs if we overused a hospital ship. Where are the crew and helos coming from then? Much cheaper and as it’s basically a floating base for SF, doesn’t need as much as traditional RN surface ships like frigates and destroyers. so are these going to be replacing the gap left by HMS Ocean,quite a shock that we are getting 2 I just hope this does not affect the number of frigates,we all know they like to penny pinch so where has the money come from or what is being planned to scrap something else to pay for them?? Joking aside, this is an interesting development. Too often MOD cut the enablers as well as the fighty end. Following a string of engineering casualties, mishaps at seas and leadership problems, a 2016 reorganization of the littoral combat ship program designated the first four ships – Freedom… Feel free to sign and share this petition, we’re getting there slowly. They had been operating Little Birds, Pave Hawks and drones from it . and see if they are worth the prefix of h.m.s. (but i’m just a cynic).. i don’t think the t 31e will happen either!! And re reading my post, maybe the Bays WILL be released from their roles, by these assets. The increasing range of shore based weapons, Long range cruise missiles and carrier strike deeper in land falls a little beyond… Read more », @capt p wash. The third and fourth Montford Points feature even longer flight decks plus other enhancements. The fifth, planned vessel likely will feature the same extended flight deck. The flight deck is big (not Puller sized) with a hanger . Media in category "Littoral Combat Ships" The following 5 files are in this category, out of 5 total. If all that happens then one heck of a lot better plan that… Read more ». NHS employers don’t like doing it, but the state we are in at present means to we risk impacting on role4 if we we tried to staff a hospital ship as well as our army and navy role3 commitments (especially if they became long term commitments). It doesn’t say that atall! Littoral combat ships are fast, agile surface combatants optimized for operating in the highly trafficked near-shore regions of the world. So instead of leasing them it looks like an outright buy and convert job. One of these will follow the carrier. I’d imagine boats would include RIB, RRC, ORC, and the HSIC used by the SBS and seen racing round Poole harbour on a regular basis. More ships rule Britannia…. Can’t find anything on any Official site about this. The ship is easy to reconfigure for different roles, including anti-submarine warfare, mine countermeasures, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, homeland defense, maritime intercept, special operations, and logistics. “These globally deployable, multi-role vessels would be able to conduct a wide range of operations, from crisis-support to war-fighting,” Williamson said. Looking at the RN supplied picture that is a modified Point Class Ro/Ro. Assuming they follow the principles set out in the Nation Ship Building Strategy and we’ll see a competitive UK based tender to meet a fixed price with a minimum spec like the T31. It may have been these. The U.S. Navy littoral combat ship Sioux City arrives at its home port in Mayport, Fla. The littoral combat ship (LCS) is a new family of surface ships for the US Navy. The thing these days is small, well trained professional forces, being able to power project as required, with the logistics, bases, and intelligence capabilities to back them up. We should build the Type 45 replacement on the Type 26 hull and speed up the glacial build rate. Air. The vessel has a sister ship, the USNS Hershel “Woody” Williams, there are another three of this ship type planned by the US. Anyway, looks like a thought through replacement for Ocean which avoids sending QE class inshore. The Royal Navy in August 2019 released concept art confirming the basic layout of the vessels. Freedom-Class Littoral Combat Ships May Have Serious Gearbox Defect. I thought it was a joke but then i saw it wasn’t April the first. Surely not! Australian Austal Ships Builder's trials are the first opportunity for the shipbuilder to operate the ship underway, and provide an opportunity to test and correct issues before acceptance trials. I would prefer them built in a UK yard, but not holding my breath. If you spend too much on ships eventually they become a drain. speaking of lasting longer how long did pakistan get out of the 6 type 21’s they had, maybe the first retiring t23 in exchange for their return, refit, upgrading with all new systems could fill the gap waiting for the clyde to actually deliver something! But with improved facilities to support SF and RM & support helicopters. the best known facts are, that the M.O.D CANNOT BE TRUSTED. Maybe the DSF budget, which is considerable, and which is separate from other areas, pays for them? Let the speculation begin! “Initially the Navy aimed for each ship … https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235377. Don’t take too long. The US Navy say that Puller has the third-largest flight deck in the naval services after aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships and can also launch small boats or unmanned surface vehicles from its mission deck. we cant even man our current ships let alone 2 new ones. MARINETTE, Wis. --- Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) 23, the future USS Cooperstown, completed acceptance trials in Lake Michigan. We needed the crew for the Q.E’s. Our world-renowned Royal Marines – they’ll be forward deployed, at exceptionally high readiness, and able to respond at a moment’s notice bringing the fight from sea to land. I am delighted with the news, however not going to hold breath until I see what exactly we are going to get. Through its innovative modular design, LCS can be reconfigured for surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, and mine countermeasures in the near term, and adapt its capabilities for changing threats and scenarios that will occur over its service life. Because that is their role…to loiter off coasts saving the carrier from doing it. One would be based East of Suez in the Indo-Pacific and one based West of Suez in the Mediterranean, Atlantic and Baltic. Still think a pair of hospital ships would do wonders for soft power and would free up Bays and converted ships like Argus from having to be on hurricane or humanitarian relief watch for large portions of the year. I thought it was a tight fit, appledore was fine for patrol ect boats though. Makes more sense to create these purpose designed ships than try to modify QE class to replace Ocean. (8509277895).jpg 4,928 × 3,280; 1.49 MB. Its speed, strength and versatility make … And I think our main maritime threat in the next three to four decades won’t be China but us policing the North African coast to protect Europe. Once Hms ocean left we lost the mass commando helicopter lift. Keep the cost down focused on delivering the build. Our vision is for these ships to form part of 2 Littoral Strike Groups complete with escorts, support vessels and helicopters. Petition signed. They do look a lot like Korean Tankers. I’d say convert them here more likely. I was under the assumption that T31 was being built as a class of 5+, with any additional funding found being used to build extra hulls. The idea the Uk purchase anything other than unarmed coastal patrol cutters will infuriate him ???. The picture released by 1SL appears to be closely based upon the US MV Ocean which is a conversion from a fast RoRo. drones. The Littoral Combat Ship has been beset by troubles, including cracks and corrosion and its price has doubled since 2005 to $440 million per vessel We need something that can carry 4 to 6 LCAC or French catamaran LC’s…….. My guess for some of the things discussed here is as follows: 1) new build or conversion? A “littoral” ship is one that is intended mainly to operate close to the shore rather than in the open sea. Or some small boats or SDV? Thought that was for Brexit…oh no that was the transport wowser and the ferry company without any ships. It is a good exercise in UK soft power that ensures Brazil… Read more », the old ocean will carry a few f35’s when brazil can afford them, FAIR PRICE? Nowhere does it state New Builds or Conversions specifically, nor are there any Facts or Figures. We have close combat company, a small TAC HQ, and a clutch of Junglies in the carrier. These enable SF to operate off terrorist shores, example Somalia, enabling our Bays, QEC and others to do other jobs. Got to admit I am pretty shocked. You couldn’t get access to the SF areas which was understandable. That’s not a bad idea, good use of resources delivering a worthwhile capability (auxillary carrier) for not much money. pic.twitter.com/FxC7GvTEtN, — UK Defence Journal (@UKDefJournal) February 11, 2019. Secrecy would be paramount. When legislators recently decided to make the U.S. Navy test its next warship's propulsion system on land, they had the problematic history of the Littoral Combat Ship … I would want that on these, if the RN is to aid the Baltic NATO states in Winter. I am not opposed to ‘civilian ships’ being re-purposed. “With LCS 19’s delivery, the U.S. Navy has 10 Freedom-variant Littoral Combat Ships in the fleet. DI does come under Defence Budget as it is indeed a part of the MOD. This will give us sovereign, lethal, amphibious force. There’s been a lot if talk of… Read more », Diego Garcia quite possibly, but it was Gavin Williamson himself that announced about a month ago that a base would be built closer to the South China Sea; likely in Brunei or Singapore. the forces need to drag themselves up to compete in the work market, civvy street is far more appetising straight out of school these days. Why would a 3 billion Fleet carrier be needed to launch a couple of Chinooks inland on a mission? Thank you for helping build the largest language community on the internet. So the question is, where’s the money coming from? I think they are alluding to something like U.S. Special Operations Command’s MV C Ocean Trader. My only question is where do helicopter airframes come from to load these out? 6 short term frigates bought for very little outlay, might be worth considering? So maybe think of them as replacing the Bay we should not have sold and Ocean? Naval Technology understands that the UK Royal Navy is no closer to ‘opening the door’ to developing Littoral Strike Ships despite reports suggesting two were in development. Despite their fearsome-sounding name, the littoral strike ships in fact just merchant vessels featuring several key modifications allowing them to support landing craft and vertical-launching aircraft. Nothing else at all concrete. Dec 3, 2015 - July 2, 2009 The littoral combat ship underway during builder's trials. Yes the American ones are ex tankers. Add fact ! Seems like someone somewhere had a plan. But I read over on Gabs Twitter feed the DS also says that the RAF “Will be able to deploy swarms of drones ” by the end of the year. 2) crew? The U.K. has announced plans for a new littoral strike group, but few details are public. Online vessel trackers showed Chouest arriving in Port Canaveral around 2:15 p.m. Detroit is a mono-hulled Freedom variant of the littoral combat ship, designed by Lockheed Martin and built at Marinette Marine in Wisconsin. But we have apache, chinooks, pumas and wildcats and the commando Merlins and carrier Merlins a couple hundred airframes atleast. What will TH say to that? I did a bit of work on that one as well. It’s all smoke and mirrors ahead of a GE. London in 2011 sold one of its four Bay -class landing ships. But we sold a Bay not so long back. Shop with confidence. All I’ve found Is a Comment saying that the MOD are Looking Into possible options and that Funding has already been Allocated. As when there are SBS aboard training with their kit in far away places they will have some knowledge. Google them. The U.S. Navy Littoral Combat Ship USS Gabrielle Giffords fired an anti-ship missile at a target vessel during an Oct. 1, 2019 exercise off the coast of Guam. Would only take £500 million from that budget to build these 2 forward base vessels. Great news, assume they will not be as large as the US vessels but great news all he same. My money would be on a conversion of another ship. David let it go. May 23, 2019 US Navy Eyes More Combat Upgrades for Littoral Combat Ships By Steven Stashwick. I don’t seem to remember them being part of the 168 billion. Forward based assault troops and Chinooks to be the norm? “Literal Strike Ships” sound like they would probably have some Defensive Systems. The UK is set to acquire two Littoral Strike Ships with the ability to launch troops and their equipment via helicopters and boats. haha, So are we looking at something similar in size to HMS OCEAN or a little bigger? We need THREE fast modern dock ships similar to the USN San Antonio class. Job done. The US has something very similar already for its Special Forces: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21261/americas-elusive-special-operations-mothership-is-packing-stealth-speedboats, …And we have two spare point class, lucky! They are exerting British influence through greater forward presence. Royal Navy image. These globally deployable, multi-role vessels would be able to conduct a wide range of operations, from crisis support to war-fighting. should be encouraged to build the new frigate factory on the Clyde with the steady stream of work (16 Type 26, 8 x anti air and 8 x anti sub). “One could easily envision this ship serving as a repair ship, a hospital ship, an aviation depot-support ship, or a dedicated [Littoral Combat Ship] mothership in the future — given the appropriate mission capability package was developed and fitted,” Adm. Mark Buzby, head of U.S. Military Sealift Command, told Breaking Defense in 2013. “It’s 800 feet of ‘use your imagination.”. God it is ugly! It will be noted that the terms used in this release vary from Combat Ship to Assault Ship. Until that issue is resolved, this is just political puff….. You’re forgetting the £3 billion Pension fund hole in the Army mate. Being modified merchant vessels, the littoral strike ships likely will lack robustness compared to purpose-built warships. The United States already does this with the USNS Lewis B. Puller (pictured above), a floating staging base for U.S. operations in the Central Command Region, an asset that is uniquely suited to facilitate special operations missions. If they are going to be built build them in Appledore. DI. Trials included a full-power run, maneuverability testing, and surface and air detect-to-engage demonstrations of the ship's combat system. Who cares, at least these are additional rather than alternatives. pronouncekiwi. Didn’t the DS get quoted months back concerning converting ferries. If this is going to come to be then expect a conversion, there are more than one UK yard that would appreciate the conversion work. It actually has been a passing interest of mine since 82. Then we can have a “National Shipbuilding Program”. 78,000 long tons (87,000 short tons) fully loaded, Obviously we are not getting anything that big, same size as QE and POW!! I’ve had to go and lie down….the MOD just doesn’t work this way. the numbers are a disgrace, millions to nations who harbour and allow terrorists to operate on their soil,(pakistan) the same amount to a nation with the regions biggest economy,(india) another shedload of money to a nation run by inept despots who waste it while those who DO need help go without(nigeria). Saying that I am concerned about non-state actors using AShM…….. As ‘Littoral Strike’ ships they will be… Read more ». A few have suggested foreign aid but at a political level there’s been no serious suggestion that would happen. Excellent news….and extra (?) The Royal Navy clearly is eager to use its imagination, too. The Point class look good but are now aging, some well worn, and in need of replacement for strategic / heavy lift. (Picture source: Lockheed Martin) This digital twin concept underpins the entire engineering lifecycle for Tempest. They would support our Future Commando Force. Sign in to disable ALL ads. I can’t find It in the Headline Post ? I think ‘the plan’ is still work in progress, but these ships look like thought through improvements on eithef sending exoensive QE class inshore or building a straight Ocean replacement. If purpose built, lets hope they will be classed as warships and built in the UK. Totally agree but only if they could somehow be manned outside the present pool of staff as stripping the pool of health professionals that are available to staff the role3 MTFs is an issue. Currently popular pronunciations. 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